Accept - The Rise of Chaos Tour

[Stas]

As Accept informs on Instagram, their show in LA was not a gig - about 200 hundred people in a 2.000 theatre.

Today Houston gig was cancelled. Houston, we have a problem.


I was born in a cave
When BLIND was all that RAGE

[mika]

Blimey, hopefully Wolf doesn't draw any conclusion because of these US gigs. Why in hell people do not attend at the gigs?

[Stas]

Cause those men are analog

I think it shows the difference between Europe and US.
In US i think its old fashion to take ones metal heart - we gonna take it as a man when they can't reach sold-out at this gig.


I think that crowd is led by world media and its heroes are to bring certain ideology. They are to be transgender.

So the place for good music as it is regardless from ideology is just small venues.

Luckily some countries are world peripheral. In my country we are far from new global trends and do not Accept them that's why such country songs like Accept are good enough for this country

[azwayne]

Well, I've noticed that the Pasadena gig still has MANNNNNY tickets to sell (It's by area so tickmaster has a floor map showing what has and hasn't been sold) but there are still a couple hundred already sold.

I think, I'm sorry to say, that a fair piece of this is that they haven't spent any time in the U.S. over the past four years building up their fan base. Their neglect of this area of the world has hurt them, IMO.

[John]

that is probably very true. they only did less than a handful of shows here on the BR tour.

[mika]

There is also the other way to see it. Why bother to play there where there isn't audience? I think people would know Accept already...at least metal fans should.

[mika]

This was not directed to you Azwayne and John! You drive insane miles to the gigs sometimes. This is directed to local people who have a band in their home city and they do not bother to show up to the gig place.

[John]

i get asked all the time by people, "why doesn't your band play in this area of the valley, or that area of the valley." or "if you played closer to where i live, we'd go see you guys all the time". then we play at a place 2 miles from their house and they still don't come out.

i think people are just lazy or worried about DUI laws, or both. all i know is, that people really do need to support live music or it will start going away.

[Stas]

As for me I gonna attend Primal Fear gig next week. Metal is our religion

[mika]

I'm jealous!
Now there's a band Finnish metal fans do not respect enough. I would like to see them, but they visit Finland very seldom and I would like to see them live on this contemporary tour, because I like many songs from their latest studio record.

[Stas]

Wow, I gotta place my impressions afterwards.


Btw, the promoter of Primal Fear in Russia and Estonia is Alive Concert where of one the guys is Eugene Silin .
Thats is how he made interview with Ralph Scheepers on a radio ( starts since 4.30)



Primal Silin

[mika]

It was thanks to Eugene Silin that I met with Juho the band Accept at Tuska backstage in 2005.

Blimey 12 years ago... Time flies.

[azwayne]

When they played Anaheim in the tour with Kreator there was really good attendance and the crowd was into it. That pairing was set up in order to cross pollinate the fan bass and by most measures, it worked. When the band fails to follow up on it, though, you have to imagine that those who thought, "Hey, yeah, I can get into these guys," just like a kid with a short attention span, ended up moving on to other things and the effort was wasted. Consider also that the lack of tour dates in this country means that there is no history of what the band will draw in each city beyond album sales by zip code and those aren't always a good indicator.

Recall too that when a tour is announced, it isn't up to the band to do the leg work. That's the promoter's job. If they fail to reach the fans, then turnout will always be disappointing. You can't just plug it on the radio and the venue's marquee anymore. You have to work for it. I'm not sure they are. That is not necessarily Accept's fault but the band's manager needs to be paying attention to their efforts. That's part of the job. What is the job of a band manager if not to do everything humanly possible to make their band the biggest band on the planet and doesn't that mean doing anything and everything to promote them? That means working hand in hand with the label and the promoters as well as your independent efforts. That's where the "publicty stunt" comes from. Name recognition. Gaby knows her job and has by all measures been doing very well over the years, despite the starts and stops the band has had but I wonder what's been going through her mind that she didn't push harder for more US tour dates in the past few years. Surely she knows what the result of neglecting the fan base can be.

[John]

Sept 12, 2017 14:28:30 GMT -5 Stas said:

As for me I gonna attend Primal Fear gig next week. Metal is our religion

tell Francesco hello from me from the USA!!

[John]

Sept 13, 2017 0:18:50 GMT -5 azwayne said:

When they played Anaheim in the tour with Kreator there was really good attendance and the crowd was into it. That pairing was set up in order to cross pollinate the fan bass and by most measures, it worked. When the band fails to follow up on it, though, you have to imagine that those who thought, "Hey, yeah, I can get into these guys," just like a kid with a short attention span, ended up moving on to other things and the effort was wasted. Consider also that the lack of tour dates in this country means that there is no history of what the band will draw in each city beyond album sales by zip code and those aren't always a good indicator.

Recall too that when a tour is announced, it isn't up to the band to do the leg work. That's the promoter's job. If they fail to reach the fans, then turnout will always be disappointing. You can't just plug it on the radio and the venue's marquee anymore. You have to work for it. I'm not sure they are. That is not necessarily Accept's fault but the band's manager needs to be paying attention to their efforts. That's part of the job. What is the job of a band manager if not to do everything humanly possible to make their band the biggest band on the planet and doesn't that mean doing anything and everything to promote them? That means working hand in hand with the label and the promoters as well as your independent efforts. That's where the "publicty stunt" comes from. Name recognition. Gaby knows her job and has by all measures been doing very well over the years, despite the starts and stops the band has had but I wonder what's been going through her mind that she didn't push harder for more US tour dates in the past few years. Surely she knows what the result of neglecting the fan base can be.

that's right because the way it works is that the promoter pays the band, so the band gets paid if there are 2 people or 200,000 people in the audience. so if the promoter does not promote the show, then he loses money and that's his problem.

i'm just now starting to hear more and more promotion, commercials, about music clubs and bands coming to town on AM radio (sports and talk stations). so maybe they are starting to get the idea. people in my age group do not listen to FM radio and music stations as much as we used to because we don't like the new music that is being forced down our throats on FM radio.