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Post by John on Mar 26, 2019 11:50:26 GMT -5
mika, is this story true? www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/Finland’s government collapses over failed health care reform PM Juha Sipilä resigns. By Eline Schaart, Lili Bayer and Katie Jennings 3/8/19, 9:47 AM CET Updated 3/9/19, 1:38 AM CET Finland's Prime Minister Juha Sipilä resigned Friday morning, one month ahead of an election. "The social welfare and health care reform was one of our government's most important objectives," Sipilä said at a press briefing. "The snapshot of the situation that I got from the parliament obliged me to examine if there was a possibility of continuing the reform process. There wasn't." "My conclusion was that my government had to hand in our note of resignation," he added. "I take my responsibility." Finland has a decentralized system of health and social welfare programs, where much of the administration is left to local municipalities. This arrangement has led to widespread geographic variation when it comes to quality and access to health care services.
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Post by mika on Mar 26, 2019 13:12:22 GMT -5
This is true. There is a new election in the next month. This failure thing was a sad trick just before the normal election. Our ex-prime minister is a clown. He has made a life of poor people grave bad.
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Post by metalwarrior on Mar 26, 2019 13:22:17 GMT -5
This is true. There is a new election in the next month. This failure thing was a sad trick just before the normal election. Our ex-prime minister is a clown. He has made a life of poor people grave bad. Very well said! Ex-government took money from the poor to the rich. |
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Post by John on Mar 27, 2019 8:54:53 GMT -5
This is true. There is a new election in the next month. This failure thing was a sad trick just before the normal election. Our ex-prime minister is a clown. He has made a life of poor people grave bad. that's what always happens. poor people stay poor and politicians always seem to get richer.   |
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Post by azwayne on Mar 27, 2019 14:33:35 GMT -5
You think Finland has trouble with government? You should go look at Italy. They haven't had a sitting government that lasted more than two years since WWII and I think the nation has essentially been bankrupt four or five times since then.
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2019 7:29:11 GMT -5
wow! i didn't realize that about italy! i guess we should be thankful for our "stable" government here in the US!
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Post by azwayne on Mar 28, 2019 19:40:21 GMT -5
Well, looks like they have had a few go three years but not many.
Remember too that when you hear "government collapsed" what it usually means is "ruling coalition broke apart because they couldn't agree on key matters and now we need new elections to reset the balance of power between the parties so we can select a new PM". Happens lots with countries that have 8 or 12 parties holding seats in parliament.
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Post by mika on Mar 31, 2019 9:22:41 GMT -5
We in EU have bumped millions of Euros to Greece. What did Greeks do?
They put lots of money to war machinery!
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Post by metalwarrior on Apr 13, 2019 14:01:30 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the parliamentary election day here in finland. It seems that national party and conservatives are winning. Probably we will won´t get well acting government soon. We have many contradictions with parties and people. It seems poor people will be forgotten again. Life in Finland is not easy for disadvantaged people here.
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Post by mika on Apr 13, 2019 23:16:46 GMT -5
I will vote for a national party candidate but the candidate for example is in the same trade union movement. And I as he too regard as more important to take care of the Finnish old people rather than getting more and more refugees here. I have sometimes voted for a social democrat, but she didn't keep her promises. They have quite often lied straight to people and that I do not like. Then again, isn't lying the most common thing for a politician to do.  My candidate also supports citizen salary system. Why do I support it? It is more justified to people who have many problems (shortage of money, health issues, unemployment, recovery proceedings etc.) In Finland a poor man/woman is in severe difficulties if he/she has many problems in his life. That kind of situation has not come to mind of the most politicians which also shows how little they know about life itself. |
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Post by metalwarrior on Apr 16, 2019 14:12:49 GMT -5
Social democrats won, and national party+conservatives got close. Now it seems that social democrats+conservatives+green party+swedish party will build up the government. But it is yet uncertain.
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Post by John on Apr 16, 2019 15:31:13 GMT -5
is this a good thing?
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Post by mika on Apr 16, 2019 16:34:38 GMT -5
To some people yes, to some people not. It remains to be seen whar happens. Btw, in this election there were 19 parties taking part in the election process. So in Finland there are all too many parties...naturally all parties did not make it to the parliament. |
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Post by azwayne on Apr 16, 2019 18:52:31 GMT -5
Well, John, you have to remember that in Europe the political parties are roughly grouped as Left, Center-Left, and Communist Left. Yeah, there are exceptions but its either "Giant welfare state" or "near total government control of the economy." Democratic socialist and social Democrat are almost the same thing from a policy standpoint and anytime you hear "Green" anything, substitute "Globalist socialist." So the "right" is a nationalist sort of government and the "left" is a globalist socialist government. That's where the trope over here comes from that the right are a bunch of nazis, because that's what it was at the time in Europe, but it doesn't translate.
Look at England. Labor (their Left), Conservatives (their right), and the Liberal Democrats (the third most powerful party that's also pretty far Left--and there are several other lesser parties that have maybe two or three MPs) aka "Lib Dems" all support pretty much the same foundation of some level of socialist policies. What we think of as the "right" over here, doesn't have a meaningful equivalent there in practical terms. It would be like saying that the John McCain wing of the Republican party here is the die-hard "conservative" for England. How did this begin? Well, there were strains of it infecting the area even back to the late 1800s. (Engels, Marx's cohort, was a Brit, afterall.) The big change was WWII. There was SO MUCH war production and then so many men coming home from the army that they were scared of the result. So after fighting a war against the National Socialism of Germany and quickly picking up a cold war against the Leninist-Stalinist communism (Soviet Socialism), they nevertheless adopted things like the NHS (government health care) and a number of other socialist policies to try to deal with the transition from wartime England to peacetime England because they didn't want 2-5 years of recession following the cancellation of govt contracts and hundreds of thousands of unemployed veterans milling around the country. Politicians tried to push for that here in the US as well but after the 16 years of socialist policies under FDR, Congress was having none of it. Then following Truman came Ike and that was the end of that push and Truman's presidency was about watching the courts dismantle what FDR tried to set up. That's why, before he died, FDR pushed to expand the court to 13 justices (I think it was 13) so he could pack the court with sympathetic judges. The public didn't like that at all.
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