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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 11:37:55 GMT -5
2) Where and when NATO threated Russia with bombing or other way of aggression? Nowhere and never. Here are the facts:
There is no document or agreement that would provide Russia’s claims about the ‘promises’ made to its leaders by the West in the early 1990s concerning limits on NATO’s eastwards ‘expansion’.
The second perspective in debunking Russia’s narrative about NATO’s threat to its security is the reduction of Alliance forces in Europe since 1991.
For example, in 1989, over 315,000 US troops, which formed the main NATO military force, were permanently stationed in Europe. By 2014, when Russia annexed Ukrainian Crimea, their numbers had dwindled fivefold, to some 61,000.
Within the same period, the number of US military aircraft in Europe fell from 800 to 170, while all of its 5,000 tanks were returned to the US.
Overall, the US military presence in Europe by 2014 was only 15 per cent of its size in 1989.
European NATO member states also reduced their military forces after the end of the Cold War; by 2014, the average military budget was some 1.6 per cent of GDP. In the meantime, Russia was intensively modernising its weapons and reforming its military forces with military expenditure of between 3.2 and 5.4 per cent of GDP.
It is also important to recall that Russia is a nuclear power with the second-largest arsenal in the world. Notably, after defeating the Soviet Union in the Cold War, the West did not require Russia to get rid of its nuclear arsenal. Instead, it pushed Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan toward complete nuclear disarmament. Why would the West do this if it was going to attack or invade Russia?
Russia’s claims that it annexed Crimea to thwart the creation of NATO military bases on its territory with missiles aimed at Russia do not stand up to scrutiny.
Were NATO to base missiles in Ukraine’s Sumy region, for example, they would be some 520 kilometres from Moscow; Crimea, on the other hand, is 1,500 km from the Russian capital.
Moreover, NATO members Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are a matter of hundreds of kilometres from Moscow; Saint Petersburg is even closer.
But while these Baltic states have been NATO members since 2004, no significant NATO forces or nuclear weapons have been placed in these countries. Even before its invasion of Ukraine, it has always been Russia that has constantly threatened its neighbours over the last few centuries.
Russian Iskander missiles stationed in Russia’s Kaliningrad exclave are only 300 km from Warsaw and 580 km from Berlin. Russia’s 76th Guards Air Assault Division alone, based in Pskov, within 30 km of the Estonian border, is probably a more potent military than anything Estonia can muster.
Russia also possesses the second-largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, including numerous submarines armed with missiles carrying atomic warheads that can strike any Western country within a relatively short distance.
Hence the holes in Russia’s claims about the threat posed to its national security from NATO ‘expansion’ to the east.
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 12:03:52 GMT -5
2) Where and when NATO threated Russia with bombing or other way of aggression? Nowhere and never. Here are the facts:
There is no document or agreement that would provide Russia’s claims about the ‘promises’ made to its leaders by the West in the early 1990s concerning limits on NATO’s eastwards ‘expansion’.
Well, Mr. Stone Evil from “here and there”, China thinks different.
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 12:14:24 GMT -5
You are posting same old poop as you dont have any facts
The regime of Vladimir Putin spends more than $300 million annually on disseminating its propaganda and disinformation in various languages around the world, an effort that is central to Russia’s hybrid war against the West. With that amount of money, you should get better pics. Any of your pics wont prove any threat to Russia. They are just propaganda pics.
Russia’s revanchist rhetoric takes in not just the former Soviet Union’s subjects but those of the Tsarist Russian empire too; It seeks to drag into Russia’s sphere of dominance Central and Eastern Europe and Finland too, while weakening or breaking up the EU and NATO.
It is worth remembering that the Kremlin’s actions speak louder than its words.
Ukraine is not the first of Russia’s neighbours to be invaded. The Kremlin has repeatedly demonstrated its neo-imperialists intentions since the early 1990s, whether directly, as it in the cases of Transnistria in the 1990s, Georgia in 2008 and Crimea in 2014, or indirectly such as in Abkhazia and South Ossetia in the 1990s and Ukraine’s Donbas since 2014.
In Ukraine, Russia is committing atrocities similar to those it perpetrated in the 1990s in Chechnya – wide-scale, indiscriminate bombing of residential areas in Ukraine’s predominantly Russian-speaking cities of Mariupol, Kharkiv and others and the torture, rape, and mass murder of hundreds of Ukrainian civilians again reveal the true nature of the contemporary Russian regime and society.
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 12:54:25 GMT -5
In Ukraine, Russia is committing atrocities similar to those it perpetrated in the 1990s in Chechnya – wide-scale, indiscriminate bombing of residential areas in Ukraine’s predominantly Russian-speaking cities of Mariupol, Kharkiv and others and the torture, rape, and mass murder of hundreds of Ukrainian civilians again reveal the true nature of the contemporary Russian regime and society.
Well, Stone Evil, how do You think , why now all the Chechen people are “brothers in arms” fighting hand-to-hand” togetherwth other Russians against ukronazis ? Actually , Chechens with their leader Ramzan Kadirov took big part in Mariupol op. Ahmat strike-force , several dozens thousand troops.
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 13:46:30 GMT -5
Like always, you are once again telling only the half-truth. Actually, there are Chechen fighters on both sides. There are pro-Moscow camps and anti-Moscow camps. Ramzan Kadyrov, who is backing Putin, represents the pro-Moscow camp. Then there are a lot of people who go against Russians, and they basically stem from Western Europe or some other areas, which are not under Russian control. These guys are those veterans of the Russian-Chechen wars who want to continue in the fight against the Russians, including some of their sons. A lot of those fighters appear to have been born after the Chechens had to escape the country and find refuge in Western Europe and elsewhere.
One of the reasons why Kadyrov is helping out Putin is because of cold, hard cash. Chechnya is very much dependent on money coming from the Russian budget. Around 80% of the Chechen Republic's budget is made up from the direct money coming from Moscow so Ramzan Kadyrov is very much dependent economically on Moscow to run his Republic.
Another thing is that there is such a thing in Chechnya as blood feuds. This old custom is still well in the life in Chechnya. But Chechens who resent Kadyrov, whose relatives were killed or raped or had bad things were done to them, are not capable of retaliating against the Kadyrov regime because their families would be wiped out.
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 14:12:31 GMT -5
Like always, you are once again telling only the half-truth. Actually, there are Chechen fighters on both sides. There are pro-Moscow camps and anti-Moscow camps. Ramzan Kadyrov, who is backing Putin, represents the pro-Moscow camp. Then there are a lot of people who go against Russians,
Actually , people of Chechnia ( part of Russian Federation ) are 1.500.000 . Total majority of Chechen people.
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 14:27:25 GMT -5
Actually , people of Chechnia ( part of Russian Federation ) are 1.500.000 . Total majority of Chechen people.
Yet again, the actual fact is that tragedy of Chechnia, the incorporation of the Caucasus into the Tsarist Empire, is to a large extent due to thematrioshka effect and the inability of Russia to develop a viable nationality policy that would allow genuine devolution of power to the constituent parts of the Russian Federation. The dominant view of the Russian leadership is that the constitutional principle of preserving the state on its “historical and geo-political basis” overrides the right of ethnic people to their own clearly defined sovereign political and economic entities. To many Russian and outside observers the Russian Federation appears to be a corpse without a head.
The war in Chechnia had few purely military targets and virtually no safe quarters for the population of the republic. The full scale of environmental devastation caused by the Russian invasion of Chechnia will probably be never properly quantified. Reports by independents paint a picture of the immense destruction of the country by the invading Russian army including whole towns and villages.
In Chechnia Russia was against a national war of liberation and not as the Russian political and military establishment claims a few “illegal armed bandits”. The social structure of the Chechen society reinforces the long history of Chechen resistance to continuous attempts to subjugate the Chechen people and their integration into Russian political and economic structures.
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 14:50:50 GMT -5
Everyone can have an opinion, but if You ask a man from majority of Chechens, they want to stay moslem and they do not accept open gays, sex ed in schools etc. Thats why they are fighting for their traditional values . Healthy families, virgin wives and reliable men. . And they see their people as one of lighthouses of moslem world.
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 14:57:13 GMT -5
Everyone can have an opinion, but if You ask a man from majority of Chechens, they want to stay moslem and they do not accept open gays, sex ed in schools etc. Thats why they are fighting for their traditional values . Healthy families, virgin wives and reliable men. . And they see their people as one of lighthouses of moslem world. Im writing about facts, why should i go asking opinions? Dont you find "facts" anymore or why are you asking opinions?
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 15:06:52 GMT -5
Absolute majority of Chechens prefer beeing togetherwith Russia and they fight fot this unity. Thats a fact.
Yes, for them war agaisnt lgbt ideology is a holy jihad .
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 30, 2022 15:13:08 GMT -5
Absolute majority of Chechens prefer beeing togetherwith Russia and they fight fot this unity. Thats a fact. Yes, for them war agaisnt lgbt ideology is a holy jihad .
I see, thats "russian fact". But You actually need to prove Your words otherwise its just declarations.
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Post by Stas on Oct 30, 2022 16:22:30 GMT -5
Well, I am Russian and its the fact I am telling . You can go to Grozny ( “Threatening)” city and ask people, they will tell You why they fight. The population of Chechnia increased for about 40% during last 20 years, from 1.1 mln in 2000 to 1.5 mln now. Its just their society is healthy. They do not legalise any perversion. Of cause , western values looks Evil for them , Mr. Stone Evil Thats why other moslem nations respect Chechens now.
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Post by EugeneS on Oct 30, 2022 18:07:51 GMT -5
Stas, Are you really care care about sexuality of other people. I have a lot of gay friends and have nothing against them) Put out all this religion poop out from your head, I love gays and freedom of sexuality. If you're not, just shut up, and leave this forum, because 99% of users (Ia m pretty sure) are not respect your fashist viiews...
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Post by Stas on Oct 31, 2022 0:58:57 GMT -5
Stas, Are you really care care about sexuality of other people. I have a lot of gay friends and have nothing against them). Come out and play , Gene =" EugeneS " source="/post/212988/thread" timestamp="1667171271"] Put out all this religion poop out from your head, I love gays and freedom of sexuality. If you're not, just shut up, and leave this forum, because 99% of users (Ia m pretty sure) are not respect your fashist viiews... As for Christianity , Judaism and Islam - lgbt is immortal sin. This cant be sticked together. Its a matter of long-time survival of society and reproduction in a natural God-given way .
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 31, 2022 6:25:56 GMT -5
Stas, is this Your new idea of "De-satanization"? If you are true believer, you must have heard something about forgiveness and "do not kill" too. Listen to this, and think.
We swear it on the bible If wanted on the Koran It's always good for trouble To have a holy ghost
We have made the decision There is forgiveness, if you need But this is not in this world You have to wait and wait
There is no - no other way You can't just believe what you want No other way - no no You can read it in the book, what's good or bad Heaven is there where hell is And hell is down on earth, oh yes it is Heaven is there where hell is And hell is down on earth, oh yeah
You shouldn't kill your brother Except if he doesn't know what's right If he can't love your heaven Ah, it's a mercy for him to die
And that it's so much better Than to live without redemption This is easy to do so And you can read how it works
All you need - is the holy ghost Oh, he will comfort you No other way - no no That's how they're cheating you And make believe what's good or bad
Heaven is there where hell is And hell is down on earth, is it heaven or hell Heaven is there where hell is And hell is down on earth Down on earth, oh yes it is Is it heaven or hell
I'm sure we all know them Those perverts, they're everywhere Mmh, we're talking straight about facts You know deep inside what's right or wrong And the world stinks, and the paradise is now a sewer And they sell poop for gold And you have to take what you've got
Heaven is never in heaven - And hell is down on earth
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