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Post by Tomcat on Mar 1, 2012 3:38:27 GMT -5
In my opinion... when a German band is playing the national anthem of Russia in a song called Stalingrad... well, then it has to be something like a shake of the hand.
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Post by Rikke on Mar 1, 2012 3:46:17 GMT -5
^ Yep it is, at least that was what my friend said ;D
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Post by mika on Mar 1, 2012 4:37:27 GMT -5
In my opinion... when a German band is playing the national anthem of Russia in a song called Stalingrad... well, then it has to be something like a shake of the hand. Exactly! I also thought about that already when UDO played some Russian melodies on Living On A Frontline on Live From Russia. But a national anthem that is something!
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Post by Stas on Mar 1, 2012 8:41:36 GMT -5
Hm, I remember 2002 when it appeared that UDO and Doro gig planned for the same day in Moscow.
What promoters did in this situation - they were to make show on the same stage.
The press-conference was mutaul as well. And I got a chance for a question.
"Udo and Doro are very popular in Russia. Could they record Anthem of Russia as a heavy metal song?" All the people laughted.
In 2 years , on the next album "Trainride" track appeared...
As for WW2 - I can say that this do not matters a lot in everyday relations between people now. Its a history of the previus millenium. But as for Udo, he is a very artistic and soul-feeling man. Not business man firstly.
I can say that he analises by soul as well . He said deep thing about life , for instance- "Moscow is not like other Russia".
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Post by monstermanlt on Mar 2, 2012 0:26:44 GMT -5
Rikke and Stas-msk, your Lithuanian knowledge are pretty well I'm very surprised. By the way, "rytas", not "ritas". But there words sounds almost the same Talking about anthems in metal music... One guy put excerpt from Lithuanian anthem in black/thrash metal song. It sounds a little blasphemous, but I liked it.
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Post by Stas on Mar 2, 2012 2:40:32 GMT -5
Thanks, MonsterMan. I ve been in Vilnuis several times thats why I in topic.
"Gute Nacht, Bona nitt (Catalan), kali nihta (Greek) etc" Yes, Rikke - its natural. Russian "noch" as well.
All of European languages probably have the same roots and was teared apart by rulers who wanted to rule their own "nation".
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Post by pzoltan on Mar 2, 2012 4:54:36 GMT -5
Thanks, MonsterMan. I ve been in Vilnuis several times thats why I in topic. "Gute Nacht, Bona nitt (Catalan), kali nihta (Greek) etc" Yes, Rikke - its natural. Russian "noch" as well. All of European languages probably have the same roots and was teared apart by rulers who wanted to rule their own "nation". Mine is not!
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Post by Rikke on Mar 2, 2012 4:58:11 GMT -5
Yep, we and hungarians, we have the same roots that are different from the biggest ones and almost all the others in Europe
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Post by Stas on Mar 2, 2012 6:57:35 GMT -5
Yes, I know this for sure. Finno-Ugric peoples. They partially left territory of Euroasia as well and moved to other lands to spread on. There are more then 2 mln finno-ugric people living in Russia now. By the way, geographist Weldseemuller drew Magna Hungaria on Ural river. You see on the same map- finno-ugric people Mordvani , that exist now as well with big city of Saransk. Close by- Magna Bulgaria. On the river Volga. They still call themselves bulgarians. The ship that sank previous year on Volga was called "Bulgaria" on this reason. And Bulgaria or Bvlgaria means "land on Volga". Volga=Bolga=Bvlga. Word os the same. There some european maps on the matter. This is one map of 1516- udoonline.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=offtopicgeneral&action=display&thread=1846&page=3
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Post by John on Mar 2, 2012 10:03:20 GMT -5
you guys' knowledge of history and language just impresses the hell out of me and always has!!! keep going, i love this stuff! i've learned more about history in the past few years just by reading your posts than i did in school!
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Post by pzoltan on Mar 2, 2012 10:23:31 GMT -5
I don't think so! I'm not share this finno-ugoric bullsh_t. The Hungarian is an asian nation, that's for sure. Some things maybe very similar in our languages, but we're not a finno-ugoric nation. You may say the language has common roots, and it's might can be true. There are reasons and evidences stuff to prove the opposite. I respect the finnish nation, but our cousins are turks, huns, scythians, avars etc., not finnish people. Just take a look at the look of a Hungarian and a finnish, you'll see the difference.
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Post by mika on Mar 2, 2012 11:36:27 GMT -5
Pzoltan: don't mix up the roots of the nations to the roots of the languages. Yeah your cousin Nation are Turks but not in your language. I've brought so many words (old words) that show the language similarites between Finnish and Magyar. You will see the similarities if you look at Hungarian and Finnish.
The thing that you have similarites with Turkey is bacause you have been in deals with them and you have many loan words. Even Finnish have many loan words from Baltic countries, because there have been interaction.
Two things should be separated: the nation and the language roots. And I know what I am talking about: linguistics show this clearly. The same kind of old words and also the cases. Cases are really old thing and with that Turk language and Hungarian has practically nothing in common. But yeah they are relatives as far as nation is in concerned.
Ofcourse there are similarities when you are close to another language area.
You know for example a really old word is of the same origin : astalo and asztalos. And as almost always the significance of the word changes when there is distance. While as asztalos mean for example timber in Hungarian in Finnish it is one of the work tool of a timber.
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Post by Stas on Mar 2, 2012 12:17:51 GMT -5
Basic words can show the original roots of language
Water - Magyar - viz Finn- vesi
Ethnosys changed , languages changed but we we still can find roots.
Or London coming from celtic "don"- river. The same is in Russian "London' translates from Russian easily- Lono Dona, "watercourse ,channel of the river".
The same meaning -Donau, Don...
As for "Moscow-Maskva" it cant be translated from Russian , but people translate it from Finnish.
..John, a man does need to learn history. But its a basys.
In schools they will never tell You that Pyramids were probably made not of stones but of concrete. Its impossible even now to operate stone blocks up to 500.000 kg, but its easy to make concrete using sand and water with some additions.
It was proved in 1970s by French sciientist- but it hurts archeologist business. So this data are mostly ignored by media. They will tell "mainstream" history. >>Magyar is phonetically close to Mesheria region, which is heard in sirname Mesherekof- man from Meshera.
For instance , governor of Orenburg region recently was Mesherekof. It is 4 hour drive from Ufa, main city of Bashkiria- where You can easily find Hungarian toponims and names. And its is this region, Baskiria, which is named Magna Hungaria in the map of Waldseemuller and other Medievil maps.
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Post by Tomcat on Mar 5, 2012 4:03:48 GMT -5
Awesome stuff you're always bringing here, Stas!
Pyramids made of concrete... Man it's as plain as a boot-jack...
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Post by pzoltan on Mar 5, 2012 4:12:24 GMT -5
I agree!
I'm sorry Mika, we may have a little misunderstanding! I wanted to say that people with the finno-ugoric theory always keep on saying that we are a finno-ugoric NATION and that's always make me angry.
I'm really proud that we're the only eastern nation in Europe, and I hate when they sayin' that we're cousins with the finns... But I see you meant the language, sorry.
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