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Post by sorin on May 10, 2011 5:02:02 GMT -5
it's such a silly thing to have a "secret" drummer on the album. especially when everyone knows that you're using a drum machine. it's the angelo sasso conversation all over again. casio jr. kick a$$ bands don't even think about doing such silly things. In 2002 a mate told me that Running Wild (one of my fave bands ever) recorded the last their album with drum machine (to lower cost production) I was shocked and I laughed in my mind (he he UDO would never do that ;D).What stupid I was ;D; Now I got another musical ear
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Post by John on May 10, 2011 18:09:54 GMT -5
ah yes, the angelo sasso "creature". nothing more than a casio drum machine. rolf wouldn't admit it either. if it's so embarrassing to admit, then why do it in the first place?! why live that lie and always have something to hide?
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Post by sorin on May 11, 2011 3:08:46 GMT -5
ah yes, the angelo sasso "creature". nothing more than a casio drum machine. rolf wouldn't admit it either. if it's so embarrassing to admit, then why do it in the first place?! why live that lie and always have something to hide? Because they cannot do a statement like this: We wanted to spent less money because we don't know if the album will be well sold or we wanted to have a bigger profit ;D
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Post by Tomcat on May 11, 2011 3:48:17 GMT -5
It's as simple as that.
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Post by jenokellner on May 11, 2011 10:00:26 GMT -5
And we're the fools :S
Jeno
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Post by mika on May 11, 2011 12:25:46 GMT -5
BTW, I have started to have serious thoughts about the drums in Metal Heart album. The sound is really strange on those drums... For example on Up To The Limit... Noway!!! Are you sure...it is Dieter Dierks production and I think Stefan got influenced by that man...The drum sound is really weird on that album.
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Post by iasbeck on May 13, 2011 6:44:11 GMT -5
Hasn't Stefan said anything about that, ever? I never find interviews with him, only with Udo.
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Post by John on May 13, 2011 9:20:40 GMT -5
i don't think this is a subject that stefan is happy to talk about i can see it now... interviewer: we're here with stefan kaufmann today. so stefan, how long have you been lying to the public and using fake drums? stefan: uh....... hey, look at the funny way i can stretch my face into different shapes!!
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Post by Tomcat on May 13, 2011 10:25:04 GMT -5
Are you sure...it is Dieter Dierks production and I think Stefan got influenced by that man...The drum sound is really weird on that album. I think they couldn't write or program those rhythms and tricks way back around 1984... And actually I do like the drumsound on Metal Heart... I find the drumsound of Russian Roulette strange though... And about Eat the Heat - I'm almost sure that there are machines on that one.
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Post by Tomcat on May 13, 2011 10:26:07 GMT -5
Hasn't Stefan said anything about that, ever? I never find interviews with him, only with Udo. I've read some interviews with Stefan but noone was brave enough to ask him about it.
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Post by John on May 13, 2011 12:10:50 GMT -5
i wish i could do an interview with stefan. not as a fan or even as a media person, but do a technical interview about the whole recording process. what he uses, why, and how. the drum issue would be a small percentage of the interview.
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Post by Tomcat on May 16, 2011 6:14:23 GMT -5
Stefan talks about the sound: You did the production again. That mechanic, slightly modern sound that can be heard since “Mastercutor”, was that your idea?Yes! And I want to constantly follow up on these ideas. But I get torn to shreds for it. By the critics.. I had an interview recently in which I was asked if there wasn’t a synthesiser on with the guitar sound. No, it’s the same Amp I am using on stage, the exact same settings and the same guitar! I can't help it, I like it a lot! I can’t work against my taste. The way the last three albums sound... coincidentally, I have listened to these three albums yesterday to compare the development of the sound. So I am getting closer to what I really like very much. Even though I know I’m not yet where I want to be. But that’s MY path which I want to tread even extremer, and want to go even much extremer live. It was the same in the past when I sat at the drums. I have always been looking for ways to progress because I didn’t want to bash the same set of drums all the time. Today, I don’t want to stick to the same Marshall, I want to go further. It will stay our music as we compose it… Well, we are not able to do anything else (laughs). Still I try to make use of the modern tools in production as well as live technics. You can be a great carpenter, but with a dulled saw you can’t manage to make a dovetail! With good tools, and that’s all I see in computer technics, you can do things nowadays that would have been much more complicated in the past. But as I said, I like it, I get beaten up a lot for it. I don’t care, I can live with that and I believe I am on the right track.Some fanclub members find this sound too cold. Can you picture yourself going back to the sound of “Mission No X” or “Thunderball”?I don’t think so. That would mean I would have to work contrary to my taste and my beliefs. Like a chef who has to over salt his food on purpose. Maybe the parts some people or some fanclub members don’t like so much will take a little time of transition yet. With “Rev-Raptor”, a lot has turned out the way I want to have it. During the summer I will have enough time to think of new sounds and a few different paths. Is the reason for this sound your preference for Rammstein?I like Sweet as much as Rammstein and these two bands are very different from each other. Back then, „Faceless World“ had a similar problem. I also used all the then available technology. With synthesizers, samplers, horn sections, differently tuned guitars and many other things. Back then I was badmouthed a lot for these “experiments”. Nowadays, especially this album is one of the most popular U.D.O. albums altogether. Today, everybody speaks about the “great” production I have created back then. Maybe it was on the market five or ten years too early? For people who don’t know the 80s sound the sound of our last three albums is normal. It’s not only us who notice that there is a large increase of new and young fans, I have talked about that to many other musicians and bands. People who weren’t even born yet when “Balls To The Wall” was released in 1983. For them, our new sound is given. They don’t moan about it because they can’t compare it to the sound of 30 years ago. So this has not much to do with Rammstein, but with my current personal taste (laughs). I just like it and that’s why it sounds like that. Of course I like Rammstein as well. However, our sound is quite a distance away from theirs. Ours still sounds very much like Rock’n’Roll and Heavy Metal in the classical sense, it’s not as mechanical as Rammstein’s.And he talks about the setlist: We always put the cart before the horse and have our three big Accept classics “Metal Heart”, “Princess Of The Dawn” and “Balls To The Wall”, these we have to play. Full stop! End of story! It would not be nice towards the fans who simply want to hear these songs from Udo.So... In the case of the sound he doesn't care what the fans want - but in the case of the setlist he cares about them a lot! By the way he's wrong if he thinks that so many of us wanna hear those three songs again and again
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Post by John on May 16, 2011 9:32:26 GMT -5
he's 100% wrong!! even when Accept played those same songs here i was just thinking uhhhhhhhhhhh i'm so sick of these songs! i would love to have u.d.o. only play u.d.o. songs on tour. but then again, who the hell cares. i live in the u.s. and they aren't going to be bringing that show here anyway. and stefan can shove his modern fake bullsh*t rammstein sound up his a$$. i'm not buying it. he can laugh that all the way to the bank.
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Post by Tomcat on May 17, 2011 2:10:14 GMT -5
And he has the gall to say "I like it, I get beaten up a lot for it. I don’t care, I can live with that and I believe I am on the right track". We can call the band .S.T.E.F.A.N.
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Post by Andris Krastins (RevRaptorFan) on Jun 22, 2011 2:39:36 GMT -5
Speaking of former U.D.O drummers we also have Stefan Schwarzmann who played in U.D.O before Lorenzo.
UDO: Yeah.
He said on some interviews that you are not using "real drums" on U.D.O albums but you are using Stefan Kauffman s programmed drums. How much there is true on that statement?
UDO: Ha ha ha Let s say it this way. I think he said it a little bit wrong. He knew that he was not the most timing drummer in the studio. What he was doing in a studio he always had a problems with this especially when Stefan Kauffmann was the producer. He was playing the drums but into the computer and Stefan Kauffman he was setting the whole drums together. Stefan kind of fixed his drums all the time and Stefan Schwarfmann was never too happy about that. But I think that at that time I don t want to talk bad things about him, but at that time he has some personal problems back then....
....He's clean now with everything and he's in a great shape. He had a very bad times but I don t wanna talk about too personal things and it s a past and I don t wanna look back.
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