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Post by Tomcat on Feb 9, 2012 3:58:18 GMT -5
Today we had a meeting concerning work issues. There isn't an absolute certainty but it looks like my incomes will be reduced with 6000 euros per year. Conservatism sucks! My God, that's a lot! 6 000.-Euros is almost my yearly receipts...
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2012 9:33:04 GMT -5
i think the terms must be backwards here than they are there. here in the u.s., conservatism means capitalism and what some people call "trickle down" economics. where the owners, bosses, and CEO's get paid the most and first and the wealth trickles down to the rest of us and we continually get raises, bonuses and more and more money. liberalism (socialism) is what i like to refer to as "trickle up poverty" (i stole that term from Michael Savage). where the government tries to control everything and in the name of "fairness" makes is so nobody makes money, keeping more and more people in poverty or near it and dependent on the government.
i'll take conservatism over socialism any and every day of the week!!!
it still sucks that mika may loose all that money.
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Post by Stas on Feb 9, 2012 11:18:29 GMT -5
Liberalism- liberty- freedom. Winner takes it all- this meaning is sadly considered to be liberal. Socialism- society^ community. Togetherness. These terms naturally contradict each other. What is more natural ? If even one tooth feels pain, all the body feels pain. If You brother feel pain, of cause You will help him. The same all situation is with all society. That is why socialism is more natural. "Catholicism" by the way is translated about the same - "togetherness" , though Papa^s will considered to be the undisputable truth, which is very strange . Liberty is good, but the meaning of iberalism in world history is a freedom from morality. Freedom of amorality. Tokyo- France, statue of Marianne Athena, Ancient Greece - Gelios, So, its all monuments to the same pagan god. They try to make of us another Atlantis.
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2012 12:48:09 GMT -5
then it is backwards because here in the u.s., liberalism and socialism are almost the same thing. and it has nothing to do with freedom or community. it has everything to do with taxes, regulations, and corruption. it's based on envy, not on setting goals or making yourself better. in other words, hate the rich and don't do anything to make yourself better. just complain.
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Post by Stas on Feb 9, 2012 13:14:55 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism"@the revolutionaries in the American Revolution and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies triumphed in two world wars and survived major ideological challenges from fascism and communism. Today, liberalism in its many forms remains as a political force to varying degrees of power and influence on all major continents. A twenty-first century development is an emerging new liberalism that is centred on the concept of timeless freedom (ensuring the freedom of future generations through proactive action taken today).">>> It classic international liberalism. Firstly they corrupt monarchies, then sponcor revolutions which establish their power by blood and terror- -Washington - USSR Than they advertise perversion turning cities to Sodom and Gomorra. Who is against - will die. See, another country is in a queue . But it all our choice- to be Christians and to fight with sins inside or to enrich and hate on and on.
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Post by John on Feb 9, 2012 13:20:21 GMT -5
i just hope mika doesn't have to lose 6k euro's per year!
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Post by Stas on Feb 9, 2012 13:45:38 GMT -5
Hope crisys will be temporary.
And will show the real values.
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Post by killersdevil on Feb 10, 2012 12:06:33 GMT -5
Hope crisys will be temporary. And will show the real values. Yesterday, in Spain, Judge Baltasar Garzón was guilty for judging Corruption. Today, in Spain, terrible news for the workers... The few people with Power only want POVERTY and SLAVES. I´m not optimist
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Post by Stas on Feb 10, 2012 12:47:21 GMT -5
As for money - probably . But spiritually crysis can help to repent and to change the way of life. If men want it.
Its like a surgery- painfull , but needed. Because its our fault- the spiritual dicease is so strong now.
In time of crisys the choice is more sharp- to live liberally "You die today, I tomorrow" or to understand that people should help each other .
...Baltasar Garson- famous judge. Great PR.
But its impossible to be a judge and not to be corrupted. So they judged him not for the corruption but for other reasons.
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Post by mika on Feb 13, 2012 6:06:07 GMT -5
Well at least here it means that the owner Alma Media gets as more money as they can get and that means that the workers should do their work with little money, because of reducement of the morning paper describers. The politicians put one more tax to the paper media which meant that the many of the subscribers stopped ordering morning papers and because of that our incomes are going down.
Without that VAT addition the situation wouldn't be so harsh as it is now. In Finland we are moving toward consumption taxes, so that people with little money are going to be in trouble. That can cause some serious problems: crimes will be increasing.
The Finnish political system is quite complex as well. We have many parties: Conservatives, The Finns, Social Democrats, Left Alliance of Finland, The Greens Of Finland, Centre Party of Finland, The Swedish People´s Party, Christian Democrats.
Social security in Finland is quite different from the one in the USA.
To keep a long story short: what works well in the USA doesn't work well in Finland. Another problem is that Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the World. The prices are sky high already and the decisions that politicians are making do more harm and than good. Unemployment is increasing because of those idiots.
If you have long term/chronic diseases (which aren't even self-infected), you are in a deeper s-hit. They are making some changes to social insurance institution of Finland and its compensations for the medicine that is essential.
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Post by Stas on Feb 13, 2012 15:01:08 GMT -5
In fact we see that European countries reduce economy and employes.
Evidently the question is how to balance in this situation- for example, some countries in Europe lost 25% population because of immigration for last 20 years.
Social standarts will be coming down because budgets will be reduced on and on- so people must demand fair politics from power in this hard times.
Sad, but typicaly man thinks that its not his fault. He is victim, he is perfect. Though its very simple to test- "hard to be honest, hard not to lie" . At least this.
One day without lie. Impossible. One hour without lie. Impossible. A minute?
Why? Its lack of spirit in ALL of men.
I read that in Medievil europeans treated plague as a punishment of God for sins of men. And tried to be better. And plague gone away.
Now people think that the only way is to invent cure. Materialism and atheism.
Material way out of crisys will never be found untill people will realize need of spiritual standards. Without it we are just changing one evil for another.
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Post by mika on Feb 23, 2012 9:33:36 GMT -5
In Finland they speak that there will be a shortage of workers/man power, instead of unemployment in years to come. I do not believe it.
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Post by John on Feb 24, 2012 8:41:20 GMT -5
that's such a crock of sh*t. just more politician BS.
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Post by Stas on Feb 24, 2012 12:49:31 GMT -5
Probably what they mean- to conserve amount population , every family must have 2.1-2.3 kids. If less- population will reduce. That could prevent unemployment- BUT economy is in danger of falling down even faster- we see it in some countries of rich Europe. From the other hand, NO FEAR. " A wise man understands that he will die"... We do not choose how we born. But we choose how we live . Christ after resurrection got the original nature of Adam- no dependence from materia,no hunger, no time, no death- its wrote in Bible directly . If we will clear our soul by repention and life in good deeds , we can be with Christ. Material values are temporary . What s the value of diamonds if they are not forever?
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Post by mika on Feb 25, 2012 1:19:25 GMT -5
Still it would be good to have money for food. I have to buy lots of medicine as well.
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