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Post by Stas on Sept 6, 2022 7:49:24 GMT -5
I have heard different oipnions on the matter .
Some guys agree with Wolf that 3 guitars can give more detalied and tight sound.
Helloween on “Pumpkins United” tour played some tracks with 3 guitars ( actually it was music of pre-Keepers period of Kai Hansen on vocals) and those 3 guitars were outstanding playing together- sharp and heavy!
But some guys think that Wolf has got older thats why he needs another guitar man. All I can say that while Death Row tour back then in 90s Wolf was the only guitar on stage.
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Post by mika on Sept 6, 2022 8:35:19 GMT -5
Is there any use for the third guitar? I think there is...for example in two guitar solos. In Finlad there is a band called Timo Rautiainen & Trio Niskalaukaus. They have three guitars and at least in their music it brings some extra power to guitars. |
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Post by mika on Sept 6, 2022 8:36:56 GMT -5
I have heard different oipnions on the matter . Some guys agree with Wolf that 3 guitars can give more detalied and tight sound. Helloween on “Pumpkins United” tour played some tracks with 3 guitars ( actually it was music of pre-Keppers period of Kai Hanses on vocals) and thise 3 guitars were outstanding playing together- sharp and heavy! But some guys think that Wolf has got older thats why he needs another guitar man. All I can say that while Death Row tour back then in 90s Wolf was the only guitar on stage. And also on Objection Overruled and Predator tours. I liked those shows also. That gave some more room for example for Peter's bass playing. |
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Post by Rikke on Sept 6, 2022 13:01:27 GMT -5
I do not mind having 3 guitar players, but I hate that there are all the time in the front and in the spotlight Mark, Wolf and Philip, while Uve and Martin are playing in their strictly marked squaremeter in the darkness.
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Post by Tomcat on Sept 7, 2022 2:13:48 GMT -5
I do not mind having 3 guitar players, but I hate that there are all the time in the front and in the spotlight Mark, Wolf and Philip, while Uve and Martin are playing in their strictly marked squaremeter in the darkness. My thoughts exactly. Earlier there was Herman to be hidden in the background. Now there are two in the same position. |
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Post by mika on Sept 7, 2022 6:54:00 GMT -5
I do not mind having 3 guitar players, but I hate that there are all the time in the front and in the spotlight Mark, Wolf and Philip, while Uve and Martin are playing in their strictly marked squaremeter in the darkness. My thoughts exactly. Earlier there was Herman to be hidden in the background. Now there are two in the same position. And two on the front. |
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Post by John on Oct 11, 2022 8:06:38 GMT -5
i went to the Accept show in Las Vegas over sunday. i didn't see Wayne there, i was hoping to see him. the show was at a very small club. maybe a capacity of around 200? it was full. the prices were way over priced. $14 for a makers mark on the rocks. it's usually around $7 here in phoenix. the price of admission was only $28, which is inexpensive by today's standards. the merch selection was terrible. there were to shirt selections, only with the Accept logo on them. nothing worth getting imho. the opening band was not to my taste even one bit. the growling cookie monster vocals, constant blast beats. just not my thing. it was a brutal half hour waiting for them to be done. Accept came out with a lot of energy and excitement. mark's vocals were figgin excellent. i am not impressed one single bit with the 3 guitar attack. they keep Uwe in the back and is only "allowed" to come forward 3 times throughout the show. other than that, he appears to be playing the exact same thing as the other guys when they are not playing solos. i just don't see the purpose of it at all. maybe they are just good friends and want to keep 3 players, i don't know. the bass playing by Martin is very bland and boring. he brings about 1/100th of what peter brought to the music and stage. he was "allowed" to step forward one time during the show, the very last song. his bass playing makes Ian Hill from judas priest look like a bass virtuoso. i don't think i've ever been more unimpressed with a musician in my life. i was amazed that Philip was playing as many solos as he did. i'm guessing he played at least half of the solos all night, maybe even more. he did an excellent job on them too. christopher was d**ned good too. the sound was a bit iffy, but probably because it was a small club. i'm not sure who was running sound but he was way off on the guitarists and then also keeping mark's vocals strong. a lot of times his vocals were under the reverb then all of the sudden they'd come up to where they needed to be. same with the guitar solos. bringing them forward was always late. the drums sounded great! so much power. the cymbals were overly loud though but i think that has to do with the club size. they didn't seem to be in the mix, mostly the sound from the stage. i also have to say that the band was not their typical "tight" that we've come to know and love about that band. i wonder if it's the 3 guitar thing along with peter's absence. they were still very good but just didn't have that razor precision that they are known for. the setlist was pretty cool, even though they did play The Abyss, which everyone knows i don't like.  over all, i'd give the show a 8/10 rating. it was very cool to see them in such a intimate setting of a small club. |
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Post by Tomcat on Oct 12, 2022 7:47:08 GMT -5
Glad to know that you saw them and liked the gig.
As far as I go I really have lost my interest for this version of ACCEPT and doubt that I will go and see them.
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Post by John on Oct 12, 2022 8:43:50 GMT -5
yeah, i'm pretty sure this was it for me too. i really only went for a few reasons.. 1. it's my birthday month and i wanted to see as many shows as possible this month. (so far i've seen Alan Jackson, Raven, Riot, Accept) 2. i was hoping to meet up with azwayne there but i didn't see him. 3. i saw it as an opportunity to hangout with my buddy kevin, who loves gambling and goes to vegas all the time. 4. i hit all of the pawn shops looking for cool guitars but didn't see any. |
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 14, 2022 5:08:16 GMT -5
Wow! Seems like all they say about american metal boomers is true. "IMPRESS ME". Your metal boomer gig review didn't impress me. There is big difference between great band collaboration and shinging of the individuals. There is no point in comparing Motnik and Baltes, thier role in live gig is totally different. Motnik is not replacing Baltes on show, that's Shouses job. Motnik is doing great job with Williams and Lulis, and that's impressive collaboration.
I saw them at Sweden Rock and they are truly thight and intence performers whom all know their palce and job. But maybe the biggist difference in the audience. American boomers are dull, and touring US tiny clubs is waist of time. I don't understand why they even bother.
Over all, I'd give the review a 8/10 rating. After all, opinioins are like a$$holes, averybody has one.
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Post by Tomcat on Oct 15, 2022 11:27:09 GMT -5
Over all, I'd give the review a 8/10 rating. After all, opinioins are like a$$holes, averybody has one. Yes, and noone is interested in others'. By the way what is "boomer"? The only thing comes to my mind hearing this word is an old American series called " Here comes Boomer". |
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Post by John on Oct 15, 2022 11:38:15 GMT -5
hahahaha boomer is slang for people of my generation and/or close to it. usually means the baby boomer generation. but these days it sometimes refers to folks 50 years or older. and it's true, us "boomers" have seen so many live shows that it's not easy to impress us anymore. we've already "seen that, and been there". i've seen Accept on just about every tour since Metal Heart. both in arenas, festivals, and small clubs. this was the least tight i've ever seen the band. sure there was just around 200 people there, the club was packed, and they did put out a great deal of energy. i'm just saying the precision that the band was always known for was not there that night. it doesn't mean the show sucked, it sure was far from that, it was awesome! |
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Post by Tomcat on Oct 15, 2022 12:21:57 GMT -5
Ah so! So I'm a boomer, too By the way I don't know and don't understand what is the thing that keeps Uwe and Martin in the back. Maybe there's a contrtact which says they are not allowed to step in the spotlight. Very strange. |
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 16, 2022 1:03:47 GMT -5
hahahaha boomer is slang for people of my generation and/or close to it. usually means the baby boomer generation. but these days it sometimes refers to folks 50 years or older. and it's true, us "boomers" have seen so many live shows that it's not easy to impress us anymore. we've already "seen that, and been there". i've seen Accept on just about every tour since Metal Heart. both in arenas, festivals, and small clubs. this was the least tight i've ever seen the band. sure there was just around 200 people there, the club was packed, and they did put out a great deal of energy. i'm just saying the precision that the band was always known for was not there that night. it doesn't mean the show sucked, it sure was far from that, it was awesome! Exactly. You want to Be impressed and feel superior as you seek something to critisice. Yonger people want to enjoy. And know how do IT. |
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Post by Stone Evil on Oct 16, 2022 1:07:37 GMT -5
Ah so! So I'm a boomer, too By the way I don't know and don't understand what is the thing that keeps Uwe and Martin in the back. Maybe there's a contrtact which says they are not allowed to step in the spotlight. Very strange. Yeah ive noticed that.most boomers dont geti it. That IS collabtation , doing whats best For the show. Not shine personally and show off yourself. |
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