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Post by Tomcat on Mar 30, 2010 1:32:45 GMT -5
i'm not a big fan of the song "The Abyss"......but the audio bits from "New World Coming" ....i remember when i first listen to Russian Roulette, i hated it!! .....i think it was alot of the bootleg video's i watched over and over that made me like it and i would hear songs like t.v. war and monster man live...now i love it!!! ...this happened alot for me with some Accept songs Believe or not I didn't like the almighty Restless and Wild when I listened to it for the first time and have been thinking about it for years as the weakest album by ACCEPT - except Fast as a Shark and Princess of the Dawn of course. But then something happened and I started to love the whole album and now it is my fav...
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Post by hele on Mar 30, 2010 2:38:34 GMT -5
It is too bad that some people are making soap opera from the music and setting up confrontations between these two camps. Let the music speak.
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Post by killingjoke on Mar 30, 2010 10:38:46 GMT -5
It is too bad that some people are making soap opera from the music and setting up confrontations between these two camps. Let the music speak. Well, as always, when you begin to translate their words into facts, the opponents just switch to another theme or start accusing you of anything, just hung different labels, immediately call you "mad", or write to the enemies .. Or maybe just "truth" is not to everyone's taste, uncomfortable and unpleasant? Want to talk about music? Please! More than 70% of the album "Breaker" composed in 1981 Jörg Fischer ! On recording the album in 1986 "Russian Roulette", Jorg Fischer has done more than Wolf Hoffmann. Jörg and Stefan were the most active composers on the album Metal Heart 1985, they came up with riffs to songs Metal Heart and Living For Tonight, as well as to many others. Just Jorg took an active part in writing the songs on the first three albums. And the tale tells us today that they (Udo, Stefan, Jörg) did nothing, nothing composed. Herman have never recording anyting on Accept studio album on 80`s he only did some gigs in europe 1984 and rest was Jörg! Just who do not need to stop lying and do not need to invent different tales, it was then and no one will hold as you said: soap operas. They first started with lies and bickering, pushing the fans, distort history group, belittle and make fun of former participants, those who constitute an important, if not the main part of the group, her skeleton, her glory. Lies and arrogance never led to anything good.
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Post by Tomcat on Mar 30, 2010 10:50:16 GMT -5
Andris where are these Jörg informations from?
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Post by killingjoke on Mar 30, 2010 11:24:45 GMT -5
Andris where are these Jörg informations from? It's a lie that they do not know where he lives Jorg Fischer. They have try contact Jörg 1992, 1994, 2004 before summer gig festival. They know only Jörg never have to answer. A good friend Jorg said that he was still angry at them after all this.
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Post by Samu on Mar 30, 2010 17:23:54 GMT -5
Part of all that Andris says I think it´s true. Wolf Hoffmann has been like an "Yngwie Malmsteen" in ACCEPT, with an big ego, trying to control everything, to be the leader and the star and keep all attention of the fans and media... putting down Udo, Jorg, Stefan undervaluing their work and contribution to ACCEPT´s history and only putting Peter Baltes with him because of their friendship.
Hoffman is an incredible guitar player, but nothing more to me. And he (and Gaby and Peter) was in part responsable of the ACCEPT´s decadence, trying to get into American Hard Rock way on "Eat The Heat", thinking it would be succesful and the American Tour showed the truth, it was a horrible failure, not only because David Reece bad and chaotic attitute, that band were not ACCEPT and fans didn´t want it.
If they would had stay into HEAVY METAL way, with their calssic style... maybe the band woul had continue more succesful years.
But that´s history, and life goes on.
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Post by hele on Mar 31, 2010 0:02:13 GMT -5
Want to talk about music? Please! More than 70% of the album "Breaker" composed in 1981 Jörg Fischer ! On recording the album in 1986 "Russian Roulette", Jorg Fischer has done more than Wolf Hoffmann. Jörg and Stefan were the most active composers on the album Metal Heart 1985 They first started with lies and bickering, pushing the fans, distort history group, belittle and make fun of former participants, those who constitute an important, if not the main part of the group, her skeleton, her glory. Lies and arrogance never led to anything good. I still wonder where this information comes. From a good friend of Jörg? You are saying that Wolf and the rest of the current Accept are lyers. How do you know that a good friend of Jörg's - or whatever your source is - is telling the truth? You are presenting rumours and third party stories as a fact. Only the few associate persons knows the real truth. I think that Jörg has made few riffs and solos here and there, Stefan has made few riffs here and there, but that's it. Wolf and Peter has carried the main responsibility of the composing and arranging.
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Post by jenokellner on Mar 31, 2010 2:12:31 GMT -5
Don't beleive in unreliable sources ,They're all bullnuts !
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Post by killingjoke on Mar 31, 2010 3:26:29 GMT -5
I still wonder where this information comes. From a good friend of Jörg? You are saying that Wolf and the rest of the current Accept are lyers. How do you know that a good friend of Jörg's - or whatever your source is - is telling the truth? You are presenting rumours and third party stories as a fact. Only the few associate persons knows the real truth. I think that Jörg has made few riffs and solos here and there, Stefan has made few riffs here and there, but that's it. Wolf and Peter has carried the main responsibility of the composing and arranging. Of course we want to believe in fairy tale and not to part with the illusion, truth is always bitter and unpleasant. We are told that Peter and the Wolf, all written and composed, but when you start to read the interview in different years, check the facts, it turns out that this is not true. It turns out that not only Gaby wrote the lyrics, but there were others who even listed on the albums, as well as mentioned in various interviews. And so throughout !!! all the famous hits of the group is composed and written by Stefan, Jorg and this in many interviews, new and old can read and make sure that they all lying? Someone founded the group and gives her name, but then it turns out it fired, and the right for some reason the group's name is another that came within a few years into it, and then argues that it is his own band. Before saying "I do not believe", can be better in the beginning inquire and read different sources, compare and contrast the facts? P.S. Wolf / Peter < Udo / Stefan / Jorg (2 > 3 - NO! 2 < 3) Wolf + Peter + Udo +Stefan + Jorg = 100 % Accept ! Wolf / Peter + Udo / Stefan = 80 % Accept (1992 - 1996) Udo / Stefan = 40 - 45 % Accept (U.D.O. = 40 - 45 % Accept) Wolf and Peter are not Accept (not a real Accept ....) Wolf/Peter - 40 % Accept ! 2010 Accept its not Accept! (Not real Accept )....... Wolf/Peter - 40 % Accept + Herman Frank - 5 % = 45 % H B & Co = 45 % Accept ! Maybe put the point? " H. B. & Co. (U.D.O.) (Hoffmann/Baltes & Company) Udo / Stefan (U.D.O.) Wolf/Peter (H. B. & Co.) In fact, a majority (51%) is located at Deaffy! 51 +45 = 96% ??? Lords of Metal: But I mean a real reunion, with a new album and a tour to support it. Udo: Yes, but that means that I have to start writing songs together with Wolf Hoffmann and that would be a problem. I understand that people want a new ACCEPT album, but composing songs together would have been a disaster. That way we would destroy more than we would create.
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Post by jenokellner on Mar 31, 2010 6:11:18 GMT -5
As long as the music is good,I don't care about personal matters !
Jeno
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Post by killingjoke on Mar 31, 2010 6:38:27 GMT -5
U.D.O. - DOMINATOR REVIEW : Don’t expect Udo Dirkschneider and Co. to suddenly do something completely different than before. And why would they? They’d immediately lose their audience exploring new grounds. Hey, with Accept he made heavy metal great, playing an important role in the development of speed metal. As far as I am concerned he is virtually in the same league as Ozzy Osbourne. He is definitely one of the godfathers of metal. He took his first steps into the metal world as far back as 1971. Opening song ´The Bogeyman´ starts of with a deceiving keyboard intro. It doesn’t take long before the keyboard intro burst into a hard pounding metal track. You will immediately recognize the vast amount of Accept in the music’s D.N.A. The throbbing, fist pumping ‘Black and White’ revels in its true Priest-like glory. ‘Heavy Metal Heaven’ opens with an excellent percussive section, and is first class festival material. And that is what is so striking about U.D.O. Classic sounding metal on one hand and yet still contemporary on the other. You can place this next to modern day metal and it still sounds fresh. The unique vocal style of Dirkschneider makes Dominator a strong album anyway, but the music is not to be overlooked. Excellent record.
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Post by mika on Mar 31, 2010 10:03:50 GMT -5
Jörg did fantastic job with Restless And Wild, Balls To The Wall, Eat The Heat, Objection Overruled and especially Death Row. ;D
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Post by jenokellner on Mar 31, 2010 14:28:02 GMT -5
What does Jorg have to do with Death Raw ?
Jeno
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Post by John on Mar 31, 2010 15:14:32 GMT -5
i think he played about the same amount of guitar on all those albums............. ZERO!
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Post by mika on Mar 31, 2010 15:33:23 GMT -5
What does Jorg have to do with Death Raw ? Jeno Nothing! ;D All of the albums mentioned are the ones Jörg didn't have anything to do. I say this again: if Jörg would have been a mastermind he would have done lots of music, even more than Herman Frank. This tells all of his laziness. Period and end of this discussion on my behalf.
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